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Python is correct about the Ode to Joy - completely humanist.
Don't know about Holst - there are a number of different sets of words.
Patriotism is not intrinsically bad.


Excellent comment. Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring is Bach. However, I agree with you about the bastardisation of Beethoven's choral chorus (Ode to Joy) in his Symphony No. 9 as a "hymn" to the European Union. The EU is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It is completely anti-Christian, and with each passing year increasingly fascist.


I concur with your concern; it is a hymn to nationalism and the various spiritual themes are allegories of patriotism. I can understand why it would be popular with the military. I suggest a "political correctness" adjustment, it would not take much, would make it work both ways.

On our side of the fence, I really do not like the way Julio Inglesias' "Song of Joy" sung to Beethoven's "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desire" has become a hymn, as it is a psalm to humanism. Although many of the sentiments are compatible, I have always found spirituality without God rather bizarre. (Conversely, and a million miles off topic, I admit that in the case of Buddhism, it does have a synergistic efficiency and consistency that is hard not to like.)

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